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The government has no right to enforce a medical paradigm on all people regardless of their world view nor force people to take drugs against their will.
@9FR5LPHOpportunities2yrs2Y
Agree. People should have the autonomy to make their own medical decisions without enforcement that results in penalty within society. This is in accordance with the Bill of Rights.
@9FVNXQSDemocracyNZ 1yr1Y
This is a human rights and informed consent issue. Informed consent is a right of all New Zealanders and informed consent is not hounding a person until they choose the option you want nor is it punishing them for not choosing your option!! Informed consent is giving a person all the information available then allowing them to choose uncoersed the option that best suits them. If your vaccination works then why do I need to have it if I choose not to??
@9G5FNLJ 1yr1Y
Vaccinations should not be mandatory because it is a basic human write and many people have their own perspective on things
@CoatiTimDemocracyNZ1yr1Y
It is crucial to consider the wider community's health. For instance, polio was once a major health concern causing paralysis and death, but thanks to mandatory vaccination, it's now nearly eradicated globally. If everyone were to make individual decisions based on personal beliefs, such successful eradication of diseases might not be possible. What would be your solution to protect the broader population, especially those who can't get vaccinated due to medical reasons, without mandatory vaccination policies?
@9G5J4X51yr1Y
Vaccinations should not be compulsory because there are always side effects and individuals can react differently. Also it is not necessarily true to say that a particular vaccine is effective when sometimes it will take a long period of time to find out if this is really the truth or not. Mandating things causes a lot of trouble because people don't like to be forced into things and many have their own views on these things. In the case of covid we know that the vaccine didn't stop people from getting covid or transmitting it yet people who didn't get the vaccine were blame… Read more
@9G6K774 1yr1Y
The government should never mandate any medical treatment. Doing so furthers distrust of both government and the medical industry. There is no way any governing body is able to assess a treatments suitability for each and every person. This is a decision to be made by the individual. If a medical treatment truly is ‘safe and effective’ you won’t have to force it to be taken. The proof will be in the pudding if you will.
@9G6MTC21yr1Y
People shouldn’t be such idiots and they wouldn’t have to do it. But I think a lot more research needs to go into some with medical issues being mandated as there’s usually a good reason why they aren’t being vaccinated.
@9G6K774 1yr1Y
Just because someone has a different world view than you doesn't make them an idiot.. Be a better person.
@9G6LBQ71yr1Y
Lifes depend on selfish people taking a very small risk for the greater good. As such, mandates are the only option.
@9G6K774 1yr1Y
Lives depend on the freedom for individuals to make their own decisions around the medical treatments the receive.
'very small risk' - this is relative depending on individual.
Don't label anyone 'selfish'. You don't know the reasons for the decisions they make.
Mandatory vaccinations for school entry have helped eradicate diseases like smallpox and polio. Moreover, vaccinations don't just protect the individual; they also protect the community through herd immunity. This helps safeguard those who can't get vaccinated for medical reasons. So, in situations where personal decisions can significantly impact others' health, perhaps some level of government intervention is justifiable? I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this balance between individual rights and public health.
@9G6K774 1yr1Y
Hi, good discussion to have. The individual should assess
the suitability of any medical procedure and its effects for their own
situation, part of which is their potential impact on the health of others. Whatever
conclusion the individual decides on should be respected and understood. The Government
can recommend treatments, but they should be held accountable if said treatment
is not as they say ‘safe & effective’. In retrospect the COVID vaccines (unlike
perhaps the smallpox and polio you mention), were not as safe and certainly not
as effective as we were told. Mandating such a treatment negatively impacts
trust in both Government and the medical field.
@9FZRXVR1yr1Y
@9FZXMWP1yr1Y
No, everyone should have the right to choose whats put into their body. People should be educated about vaccinations and the manufacturing of them, then make an educated decision.
@9G262WC 1yr1Y
Look at what vaccine mandates during the Covid 19 outbreak did to tear apart our society. Now apply that to children, it will tear us apart on a whole new level. The benefits do not outweigh the costs to NZ society at all.
@9G273D91yr1Y
Darwin’s theory pf evolution and the dumb ones don’t survive, the ones that refuse to be vaccinated will slowly die off leaving the smarter educated to flourish
Vaccinations have not helped the prevention of the spread of covid and it should be a personal choice to inject any chemical into your body!!!
Vaccinations result in lower costs to the healthcare system and work in a preventative not responsive manner. People who can't be vaccinated due to compromised immunity rely on those who can.
@9FV8M6H1yr1Y
It is a human right to be allowed to decide on your own medical treatment, enforced vaccination is directly against human rights.
The government should not decide what people put in their bodies or enforce unlawful mandates on people who have a different opinion. They work for all the people. Especially when corruption and their agenda is not transparent.
@9FRZD332yrs2Y
No, you cannot FORCE people to be medically vaccinated if they don't want to be. Everyone has the right to make that decision for themselves.
I think its dependant on the severity of the disease itself, if its rapidly devastating a large percentage of the population, but I truly believe everyone should have the right to choose what they do with their body; and while vaccines can be life saving, its truly understandable why someone would be uncomfortable injecting something into their body, that was formulated and developed by a free profit first company, especially foreign companies who siphon large amounts of money out of the government.
@9FV8BNB1yr1Y
The government has no right to enforce a medical paradigm on all people regardless of their world view nor force people to take drugs against their wilL.
@9FTJB9B1yr1Y
My body is my choice as to what I put in to it. I have consent over my body and health care choices only
@9FQP5YR2yrs2Y
Its the same as banning abortions. People should have a right to choose everything involved with their body. Not have the government cherry pick your freedom. That is not freedom. Legally, one can not sue vaccine companies for injuries, and most of them are lifelong so you are dooming people to suffer for the rest of their life with no compensation. And in return you are perhaps reducing the chances of contracting a non deadly disease and perhaps spreading it to others. It's barbaric.
Basic human rights to choose what goes into our bodies no mass medication should be allowed as it removes freedom of choice & denys alternative health measures to the same issue
I think everyone should have the right and choice as to what is put in to our bodies, especially when it does not harm anyone else.
We are human beings, nobody should have any right to enforce drugs onto anybody without consent. And to mandate such a ruling and to strip people of their livelihoods unless they comply is inhumane an despicable.
the govt has no right to tell people what they can or cannot do with their bodies, nor should they have any "punishments" for not getting it.
@9FS68D52yrs2Y
We should have the right to control what goes into our bodies. It is abuse from the government and controlling
@9G5SCWH 1yr1Y
My body, my choice. Violation of basic human rights. If i presented you with an unknown elixr in a syringe, you would not agree to it. In cases where information is provided, it is reasonable to have mandatory vaccines. But, in cases like the covid19 vaccine, the available information and past circumstances appear to be very controversial. I'm not surprised that many people conspire theories about this wonder-drug, that conviniently did not work when i fell ill with covid 2 weeks later.
Vaccinations shouldn't be mandatory. Labour mandated the covid vaccine then lost your job if you didn't comply which is BS
Everyone has the right to choose!
People have different perspectives because everyone has walked a different path in life. Values and beliefs all differ so is
I believe that this is a medical freedom issue and that individuals should gave the right to choose or refuse treatment. Mandating vaccines during the Covid Pamdemic was a massive overstep and in hindsight there is a great deal of evidence that benefits were overstated and risks understated.
@9G4NTB21yr1Y
The government has no right to force individuals to take a vaccine. They have not been properly tested and there are numerous cases of vaccine injuries being swept under the carpet. It’s all about profit! Leave us alone!! If your vaccines are so efficient, nobody who is vaccinated should be worried that they will catch the disease from the unvaccinated. How moronic! It is disgraceful how the unvaccinated were treated!!!
@9FYQ8HD1yr1Y
Freedom of choice, there are always risks involved whether severe or not and some people should have the right to make that choice themselves.
No, I don’t think vaccines should be made mandatory that doesn’t follow basic human rights at all. And I don’t really trust whatever’s in your vaccines.
@9FYYR7X1yr1Y
Medical intervention is a personal choice. Not a governments, especially when the vacinne was mandated using black mail. The vacinne mandated by the global governments have an extremely poor safety record and are not very effective. Any opposing view last time has been quashed and ridiculed which has and is an ongoing disgrace. It has caused a very decisive subject matter and caused irreparable damage to the trust of the medical and pharmaceutical industry.
It is a basic human right to be able to choose what we put in our bodies. The government has no right to enforce or mandate anyone. When the government are being informed by the WHO scientists that are paid for by big Pharma we always need to have the freedom to ask questions. Effectively we are paying Big Pharma billion dollar profits so we must be able to ask questions and have the choice to decide for ourselves. As we are all aware children don't get severe covid symptoms and vaccinations do not prevent transmission. So vaccinations should never be forced. The people need to also be… Read more
@9G6QNB51yr1Y
This is a human rights and informed consent issue. Informed consent is a right of all New Zealanders and informed consent is not hounding a person until they choose the option you want nor is it punishing them for not choosing your option!! Informed consent is giving a person all the information available then allowing them to choose uncoersed the option that best suits them.
@9G6RT5Q1yr1Y
It's your choice to have the vaccines or not but if you do have a vaccine then you have killing the people that can't have the vaccine
The government has no right to enforce a medical paradigm on all people regardless of their world view nor force people to take drugs against their will.
@9G298LN1yr1Y
Why should the government be the dictator of a persons basic human right which is the choice to what they allow into their own body
Everyone should have their own right to choose medical choices for their body. There is no one medicine that ‘fits all’ and the current vaccine has caused devastating side affects
@9G2ZT7T1yr1Y
People should have the autonomy to make their own medical decisions without enforcement that results in penalty within society. This is in accordance with the Bill of Rights.
@9G6C8K41yr1Y
It should be encouraged not mandatory, more time needs to be put into educating people so they can make an informed decision for themselves
@9G5PWZW1yr1Y
No, people should be able to choose what they put in their own body and more information should be shared of natural alternatives.
@9G4JG991yr1Y
The government has no right to enforce a medical paradigm on all people regardless of their world view nor force people to take drugs against their will.
@9G5PFS61yr1Y
The government has no right to enforce a medical paradigm on all people regardless of their world view nor force people to take drugs against their will.
@9G3XLKF1yr1Y
You cannot in any way force any person to undergo any medical procedure by duress within any factor of their lives, be it their right to remain employed, their right to travel freely and their right to attend public gatherings.
Personal choice is a must. Everyone’s body is different, you cannot force medicine on people it’s not right
@9FZTYY41yr1Y
I don’t believe Vaccines should be mandated, I think everyone has the right to make a decision for themselves and should be respected. But in saying that I believe businesses owners or individuals should also be respected if they don’t allow people that are not vaccinated into their premises, respect and rights go both ways
@9FXXL241yr1Y
Every human being should have the right to make health decisions for their own bodies, and children should remain under the choices made by their own parents.
@9FWXL281yr1Y
No one should be forced to vaccinate under any circumstances. Everyone should have the right to do as they please with their own body!
@9FXZHDJ1yr1Y
I am the only person or entity that has full rights over what I have in my body. This is an overstep of power and a breach of human rights.
People have the right to control what happens to their own bodies, and have the right to decide what is best for their own children. It is each individual’s decision to make. A vaccine is not something people should be forced into.
@9G3DV5P1yr1Y
Each person should be given the opportunity to choose whats best for them personally. If they are not given a choice how is it different to rape?
@9G35BKL1yr1Y
Free people have different religions and own choices to say what is put in their own bodies. Governments should not have total control over their citizens bodies.
Is our own body owned by the government?
@9G2LN381yr1Y
We did mandatory vaccinations and there has been absolutely no data on how effective it was. By the time poeple were vaccinated the variant had significantly decreased in it's danger level. People deserve freedom to choose and in no way should we alienate them if they decide not to. We should encourage healthy lifestyle practices first, building our immune systems up naturally. I do believe people over 55 should get vaccinated if they're concerned for their life.
@9G5RS2V1yr1Y
I believe that this is a medical freedom issue and that individuals should gave the right to choose or refuse treatment. Mandating vaccines during the Covid Pandemic was a massive overstep and in hindsight there is a great deal of evidence that benefits were overstated and risks understated.
I will not be dictated to by Big Pharma to inform me of my own health decisions when they stand to make trillion dollar profits from us. There have been no long term studies on the Covid vaccines and they were only rushed through by the emergency stance. There is well documented adverse reactions to vaccines so people need to have freedom of choice.
@9FYVLBS1yr1Y
The government can not take away people’s choice over what they put into their own bodies. Vaccinations are not risk free therefore should not be forced to be taken!
@9G47HRP1yr1Y
The government has no right to enforce a medical paradigm on all people regardless of their world view nor force people to take drugs against their will.
Copied and pasted from another post. Bang on
@9FYFY5C1yr1Y
Medical autonomy is important and medical decisions about treatments for individuals should be made by individuals (in consultation with their physician), not by governments, public health practitioners, or other bureaucrats.
@9G4MM861yr1Y
Medical decisions are ultimately up to the person making them - government imposing mandates in a medical treatment is a breach of personal freedom
I believe that mandatory vaccinations (for those children who do not have health issues that mean they cannot receive vaccinations) are important to decrease the prevalence of potentially deadly diseases in the population, and protect those most at risk.
If the vaccines actually worked and were without risk I wouldn't have an issue with them. My issue lies with the fact that since the 1960's autism and other neurological disorders in children have gone from under 6% to now over 60% the only major difference is the number of vaccines administered to children, most of the time the effects only starting to show after their vaccines given at the age of 2. Furthermore, I have no solid reason to trust the pharmaceutical companies who have to date been given the largest fines in human history proving the theory that there is no money in… Read more
@9FDVBHX2yrs2Y
Bodily autonomy is a basic human right, informed consent is written into our constitution and legal system, while vaccines are often safe for many they DO have some risk as with every medication and medial treatment available. It is madness that we can accept force feeding people medication against their will is not acceptable, and yet forced vaccination against consent is considered an acceptable idea. There are a variety of factors that need to be considered and this absolutely has to be a discussion between doctor and patient, and ultimately decided by the individual. They are a medication, not some kind of magical unicorn juice.
Despite the popular hyperbole that vaccines are "Safe and Effective", a legal battle was won that showed that no vaccine has ever been properly put through rigorous scientific safety studies. (See Kennedy and Suri ICAN vs HSS) No surprise since the testing is done by people invested in the success of the vaccine. On top of that, vaccine manufacturers are not liable for any adverse events suffered. With no accountability comes no incentive to restrict that incredibly lucrative industry. (See the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act 1986)
Every citizen must have the right to choose what medicine or medical procedure they wish to use. If any medical procedure is to be mandated, it needs to have been tested fir a minimum of 15 years to ensure next generation is not affected, as is a usual scientific requirement, and an alternative pathway that is acceptable to the citizen needs to be available for those who choose not to partake. If testing were completed over 15 years, the at risk individuals would be identified and would be able to choose whether they have a vaccine or isolate while risk is present.
@9G5X938 1yr1Y
No they should not because nobody is gonna tell me I HAVE to get my kids vaccinted. Especially not if the vaccine comes out as fast as the covid one did. How are you going to tell me I have to inject my children with something when we dont even know the long term effects it will have on them and you dont even know how to cure cancer yet?
@9G6N3VH1yr1Y
Add more funding and free health care for anyone who suffer any medical issues from it including insignificant issues such as 1 cough.
It isn’t necessary, it is against ethical rights forcing the people that live in this country to take vaccinations, and then banning them from doing anything without punishment. There are people like me that live so remote it would be impossible for the virus to reach us, and many with underlying health conditions that the vaccine COULD have an effect on.
@9G5H9SP1yr1Y
I believe in autonomy and the right to choose how to raise your family due to personal or religious beliefs
No way should the government (or anyone) be able to force people to put drugs into their children or themselves
My body, my choice. Where there is risk, there must be choice. Their safety profile is much, much worse and their effectiveness is much, much lower than claimed. In reality, it’s a money making scam and there’s a reason the manufacturers have indemnity- the lawsuits for harm caused would cost them too much money and it wouldn’t be financially worth it.
@9G5N9R51yr1Y
No way! It’s completely a parents choice and should always be, if they want their kids vaccinated or not and they should be given proper informed consent of all the possible risks and side effects and safety.
@9FY72SJ1yr1Y
There are many views on the safety of vaccinations. Parents should be allowed to make an informed decision.
People should have autonomy over their own bodies. Vaccination should be available but a choice not a requirement.
People should have autonomy over their own bodies, same as abortions or any other substance use. Vaccination should be available but a choice not a requirement.
Vacinations have almost eliminated diseases like polio. Polio has reimerged due to peoples reluctance to be vacinated. Vacinations reduce the burden on our medical system. Compare new Zealand death per capita rate of 52.88 deaths per 100,000 population with Sweden's 235.43 deaths per 100,000 (source: Johns Hopkins) and you can see that the different approach to the pandemic possibly saved a number of lives.
@9G6V2T41yr1Y
It should never be the governments decision on what we put into our bodies they have no right. Telling everyone they have a choice but than stripping them from their rights, jobs etc and pushing them into a corner where some people feel they have no option is not called giving them a fair choice.
@9G4LK8P1yr1Y
The government has no right to enforce a medical paradigm on all people regardless of their world view nor force people to take drugs against their will.
New Zealanders should have a **** ing choice it’s rape to force something into somebody’s body like that and absolutely disgusting the vaccine only keeps those who have it safe so if you want to be safe get the vaccine if someone doesn’t want it and to try to get over the virus without them let them
@9G499881yr1Y
The government has no right to enforce a medical paradigm on all people regardless of their world view nor force people to take drugs against their will.
Mandated vaccines are an over reach of any government. People should have a choice. No doubt, astronomical amounts of money were made for some companies through the lockdown and many lost their lives and livelihoods. Sad.
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Vaccination companies are not incentivised to value those the receive their vaccinationsb - over shareholder profit. They are also not able to be sued for the most part for negligence, lackluster performance or side effects and deaths for instance. Therefore to require mandatory vaccinations further disincentivises honesty on their part. Vaccinations are vastly overvalued and I believe more people need to take a front seat - motivated view to preserve their own health by any means necessary that prove to be effective and of substance.
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Vaccination companies are not incentivised to value those who use/receive their vaccinations - over shareholder profit.
They are also not able to be sued for the most part for negligence, lackluster performance or side effects and deaths for instance. Therefore to require mandatory vaccinations further disincentivises honesty on their part. Vaccinations are vastly overvalued and I believe more people need to take a front seat - motivated view to preserve their own health by any means necessary that proves to be effective and of substance.
@9G5LMJL1yr1Y
Everyone should have a choice of what they put into their bodies. There’s no way that one drug fits all.
Human rights are individual to that human. A entity, corporation, business etc are not individual humans and naturally do not act as human
Govt should not be able to enforce what people put into their bodies. Creates a lack of body autonomy.
One effective counter argument against mandatory vaccinations is rooted in the principle of bodily autonomy and individual rights. Advocates against mandatory vaccinations often argue that individuals should have the freedom to make decisions about their own bodies without government coercion. They believe that forcing individuals to receive vaccinations infringes upon their fundamental rights and personal freedoms.
Moreover, opponents of mandatory vaccinations may argue that there are alternative measures to encourage vaccination rates, such as education campaigns, incentives, and improving… Read more
Look at the recent measle outbreak in Samoa. A lot of new born babies died and many more were left with disabilities.
I don't know any stats but it greatly reduces disease and morbidity and mortality in children and the whole community if there are mandatory vaccines
@9FQJRVV2yrs2Y
Its not clear to me that forcing people to vaccinate is the right approach but rather a penalty if you do catch the dease you refused to vaccinate for you pay for your own treatment dont want my tax dollars spent on idiots, caveat here if they cant have it etc then obviously they are exempt. Natural selection exists for a reason dont stop it.
Are we going to have proper documentation for adverse reactions and proper care for those who have reactions. Will doctors be educated better on how to handle reactions
@9FBSMPQ2yrs2Y
People should have autonomy over their body, especially in regards to vaccines with potentially life altering side effects. Drug companies are companies at the end of the day and will focus on profit and not the general health of a nation.
@9F9D49S2yrs2Y
There is only a small chance for children over 10 to get viruses and kids hate getting vaccinations.
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