In 2016 the government expanded section 35 of the Citizenship Act to revoke the citizenship of any Australian who joins a foreign terrorist group. The measure includes Australians with single and dual citizenship and was proposed after several Australian nationals joined ISIS in the Middle East. The previous law revokes citizenship if Australians take up arms with the militaries of ‘enemy states’ but does not cover foreign terrorist organziations. Opponents include human rights groups and constitutional lawyers who argue that the law allows foreign governments to accuse people of terrorism for minor acts including graffiti and sit in protests. Proponents argue that the law is necessary to prevent terrorists re-entering the country.
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Not if it leaves them stateless
@9DF4WGP1yr1Y
not if they were born in this country
what defines a terrorist? what if my government is corrupted and labels its political opponents terrorists? the word terrorist if often used to slander enemy of the states, such as julian assange, edward snowden, when in fact they are whistle blowers, heros.
@@963S369 1yr1Y
Depends on what a corrupt government would categorize as a terrorist organisation. The lot in the beehive would easily categorize" anyone who opppses their over reach of power as "far right extremists" and have threatened censorship and domestic terrorism laws to silence ppini9ns and could categorize them.as terrorists given the opportunity. A genuine terrorist with intentions to harm citizens should be detained but then thats all of tge globalists currently in the beehive who forced a weaponised injection onto its citizens. That is domestic terrorism!
@9G5JY2T1yr1Y
If the individual is not New Zealand born originally then they should have their citizenship revoked after thorough investigation and decision to do so.
@9DPFG981yr1Y
@9DNC7CG1yr1Y
Case by case, how successful is the likelihood of reintegration? How long were they apart of it? As well as mandatory therapy.
@9DLJ97R1yr1Y
No, this is a violation of the UN human rights charter
@9DLFGC41yr1Y
Irrelevant. As much as we would like to disown any terrorists, if they only have citizenship in NZ, we can’t withdraw it.
@9DK74661yr1Y
Only if NZ is their second nationality, you cannot leave someone stateless
@9DK6HL21yr1Y
They shouldn't be joining any terrorist groups wtf
There is no way to remove bias from the decision of what is determined as a terrorist group?
@9DJWZTW1yr1Y
Lol what kind of stupid question is this.
@9DGDDKY1yr1Y
Only if NZ is not their only citizenship
@9DDN8391yr1Y
Yes, but we should do more research about the "terrorist group"
@9DDK5DV1yr1Y
No, but they should be extradited back to the country and put on trial if they describe themselves as fascists, or run mass-surveillance and/or arms dealing corporations. Especially if all they did to earn citizenship was buy it. Especially if they have a disproportionate influence on international business.
@9DD5BB21yr1Y
If they have done so at their own free will then yes but a lot these people that join have been let down by our current systems and have been radicalised and brainwashed
@9DD4FMP1yr1Y
No, they should be just watched closely, they are now a source of intel.
@9DC5WGV1yr1Y
Yes but there children should be seen as citizens of nz
Yes, if they hold citizenship in another country
Yes, but only after a fair trial has established that this was in fact the case
@9D9HZGW1yr1Y
Yes, unless stripping their citizenship leaves them stateless
@9D93L6J1yr1Y
No, but they should be detained in a detention facility for the remainder of their life and given little contact from visitors.
@9D8WP2Z1yr1Y
Depends if they are citizens by birth or not
Yes, they should lose it, but only if it doesn’t make them stateless. Otherwise they should face the legal system
Only if they hold dual citizenship. People should not be left stateless
Only if they have dual citizenship as we cannot deny them a state if NZ is their only state
If the terrorist group harms new zealand
Only if they try to seek sanction in our country
Only when they aren't NZ born & they hold another passport
@9D4TSBV1yr1Y
If they have dual citizenship and were clearly a member of the terror organisation, revoke the citizenship. Otherwise, the detain, investigate and fair trial option applies.
No, making a person stateless is forbidden under international law. They should be detained, investigated, and given a fair trial on re-entry.
No, it is impossible to define a Terrorist Organization
It depends on what and who determines what qualifies as a terrorist organization
Depends. Are they a citizen by birth? Do they have dual citizenship somewhere else? If they’re not born here and have a second citizenship then yes. If they’re born here and don’t have a second citizenship then no
Yes, and they should not be allowed to re enter into the country
@9DQWZQ81yr1Y
It would depend on the case
@9DPP4371yr1Y
Yes if no children involved
@9FYFYHM1yr1Y
if they are not born in nz and living in nz for majority of their life then yes they should lose it however if they are born born they should be detained, investigated, and given a fair trial once they re-enter nz if they are not in the country at the time of joining said organisation.
Yes, but only if doing so would not make them stateless
@9F9B6ZX1yr1Y
Yes if they were not born in NZ and gained citizenship through reisdnecy
Depends what gang and if they have done bad stuff or if they are just in the gang.
Yes if not NZ born. Assuming that's NZ born can lose citizenship?
@94BJNDL2yrs2Y
W Citizen for following there dreams.
@945V5S22yrs2Y
Unless the individual was a born NZ citizen and could become state less
@92JVDLZ3yrs3Y
It should be on a case by case basis and see if they have been manipulated or were minors when they join.
@8TL8SD33yrs3Y
Revoke their citizenship only after a fair trial.
@8P8ZWKJ4yrs4Y
Only if they have committed crimes on behalf or in the name of an organization.
@8J5NSB34yrs4Y
Yes, if not born here or not lived in this country for the majority of their life
@8HH8LMB4yrs4Y
How you can remove citizenship form someone born here.
@8HGL6RC4yrs4Y
it will depend if there forced to join
@8H6CSLL4yrs4Y
Yes if they moved to NZ and became a NZ citizen
@8H5HKV84yrs4Y
Yes and give them the death penalty
@8GL6F764yrs4Y
Yes, excluding citizens by birth
@8G88GF54yrs4Y
Yes, only if the terrorist group acts directly against the interests of New Zealand
@8FRTWTS4yrs4Y
i feel it is probably a breach of human rights sadly
@8F65NCQ4yrs4Y
Hard to say, they are still our responsibility to deal with if they are caught.
@2008rules4yrs4Y
they should get a fair trial before any decision is reached about their citizenship.
@8DHD8Q44yrs4Y
If they originate and grew to adulthood in a foreign country then yes they should lose the privilege of being a NZ citizen. If they were born and grew up in NZ then they shouldn't lost their Citizenship, they are a product of our nation and should remain our problem.
@8DGF8DK4yrs4Y
There is a complete bias for what is counted as a terrorist organisation. People who are anti-fascist are terrorists in the USA but the Ku-klux-klan are not terrorists even though they actively and historically oppress people. It should be case dependent.
@8DGDFHG4yrs4Y
they should be brought back as for the will of allah and the jihad we wage on the infedels.
@8CZPKRP4yrs4Y
yes, however where is the incorruptible entity / organisation that will determine what is terrorism and what is freedom fighting ?
@8CT673B4yrs4Y
The nation-state should be abolished.
@8CRVHJV4yrs4Y
Yes- if they are not born in NZ. Otherwise fair trial, and jail time.
@8CLK5PM4yrs4Y
Yes if they have dual citizenship and another country where they are legally able to go.
@8CJ87T24yrs4Y
This needs to be more specific. Yes if they have immigrated. No if they were a born citizen
@8CCWHVV4yrs4Y
No, because u can never be sure who is part of a terrorist group/organisation - especially when in the majority it's privileged countries telling us who is a terrorist. The people making the decision in the governments/countries have (pale skin/European ethnicity) (rich/wealthy, male) - corrupt governments telling people who are terrorists (on the news/media)
@8BZF2GM4yrs4Y
@8C7QXSX4yrs4Y
They should be given a fair trial and explain what this terrorist group is about and if they are forced into it. But mostly no.
Yes, if not born a New Zealander
Yes, but there needs to be special cases for people who were forced into it or people who aren't in the group but believe in it and are working sneakily from the sidelines to help the organization.
Yes but has to been voted for case by case.
The question is too complex and relies on too many assumptions. No one should be left stateless. If the join an organisation that threatens terror agains NZ then they could and should be tried under current laws, in a fair trial conducted in New Zealand
Yes, as long as they have citizenship in another country.
No, unless they were not born in New Zealand and still hold citizenship with their birth country.
No, only if they are a citizen of another country
No, not unless they are citizens of another country
Yes, but this should be thoroughly investigated and proven to have joined a terrorist organisation before given a fair trial and their citizenship removed.
@9C4KQPW2yrs2Y
"Yes, however, who gets charged with defining what is a terrorist organisation. Remember one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter (Nelson Mandela comes to mind)"
@9C2KVHQ2yrs2Y
Yes, but only those not citizens by birth
@9C2KPBR2yrs2Y
Define terrorist organization.
@9C2JFM22yrs2Y
Yes, as long as they wouldn't be left stateless
@9BZX5C82yrs2Y
Yes. Provided they have voluntarily joined the terrorist organisation
@9B35J562yrs2Y
No, that is a violation of human rights, but there should still be investigations and punishment for terroristic activity, including the spread of terrorist rhetoric online.
@99VNFVS2yrs2Y
No, everyone is allowed to have their own opinions - and that is what provokes change, good or bad. The world would be at unlimited possibilities if nobody is restricted at least in thoughts. Also, what if they are accused? What if they were forced? If they are harmful to the world currently, then the government should control them; But nothing as extreme as losing citizenships should be used.
@99RTFMC2yrs2Y
Only if they were born in a different country
@99LTLL82yrs2Y
Only if they have another nationality
@99KB4JK2yrs2Y
no they should be praised
@99HK57X2yrs2Y
no and we like, we just make them a cake when they get back, and honor them as heros (french did that so why cant we!!!)
@98PXPCQ2yrs2Y
The investigation and tip of living cost is argument withore and increase power by new Zealand police scanned and power
@98PKXL42yrs2Y
Government alone by labour party with mmp and Jacinda ardern pay her respectful by knowledge in increase
@98F3YY32yrs2Y
Depends on what is defined as “terrorist”
@9875HDB2yrs2Y
Yes, but they should be able to re attain it depending on the circumstance.
@95LCKQV2yrs2Y
The goverment should choose get malded you crying children
@94FV6XL2yrs2Y
I mean they should have their own reason as to why they wanted to join and why did they bother to come back.
@8JL9TKQ4yrs4Y
Yeah I get dem diamonds everytime yeah
@8HS8FNP4yrs4Y
No, but try to investigate and give them trackers so we know where they are.
@8HGL3244yrs4Y
No, Only if they commit a terrorist attack in New Zealand or in foreign country there citizenship should be removed.
@8HBKX794yrs4Y
Depends who gets to decide what a terrorist group is
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